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April 2006

By Cliff Millward, Editor cliffm@xmission.com

It’s an Apple, Can’t You Intel?

Apple Computer has now produced for us new software that allows Intel-based Macs to run Microsoft Windows XP. Have Apples become oranges or have they thrown Apples through the Windows?

What interests me is will Apple Computers morph into just another maker of computers for Windows, or will Windows users increasingly become users of Apple products? Also, will other computer manufacturers offer this dual boot alternative?

Apple calls its software to allow a dual boot “Boot Camp.” Boot camp is a military training facility; does this mean that Apple is anticipating a war?

A final version of Boot Camp will be available as a feature in the upcoming Mac OS X version 10.5 “Leopard.”

I will try to keep my ear to the ground (to listen for the “Leopard) so that I get the proper “intel” to pass on to you. ;-)

Further Windows Breakage

Concerning malware, a Microsoft security official said recently that business’s should consider an automated process to wipe hard drives and reinstall Windows as a practical way to recover from infestation (so much for update fixes.)

Actually, nuking the hard drive is the ultimate fix; something like throwing out the baby with the bath water!

Obviously, the virus producers are winning this war. BUT, maybe the Apple Leopard will devour some, and maybe all, of the vicious malevolents.

Maybe Wearing a “Red Hat” is the Answer

Intel and Red Hat have teamed up to help customers plan for, accelerate and optimize Linux installations.

“The Red Hat-Intel Solution Acceleration Programme will give customers real-time access to the critical information, tools and support they need to build and optimize high-value Linux solutions on Intel-based platforms,” said Jon Bork, director of Intel’s Open Source Program Office. Tim Yeaton, executive vice president of enterprise solutions at Red Hat, added: “We are responding to what customers have told us they really need to support their advanced deployments of Linux and open source.”

As I understand it, they are trying to arrive at a common interface by combining the two most popular interfaces, Gnome and KDS. If they can do this with most of the sub-commands similar to Windows, they might have a winner.

In my opinion, one of the drawbacks of Linux is the inability to operate it like Windows. Most people know how to operate Windows, so commands must be very similar for any “new” system to become popular.

The next thing which must happen is the porting of popular Windows programs to Linux -- or programs constructed to be so similar to Windows programs that they will be easy to learn and use.

Some programs are now available for Windows and Apple on the same install disk. The same thing must happen to Linux.

However, with the new “Boot Camp” option by Apple, perhaps a more viable option is becoming available. All that needs to happen is for all “IBM” computers to use this new dual boot procedure. So far only Apple offers it. Perhaps a ”war” is shaping up between Apple OS X and Linux. Another point to remember OS X has a Unix background, so it is similar to Linux.

In the long run, however, companies and individual consumers want to use the most reliable, least expensive, and easiest to use items (and not necessarily in that order.)

Our own Novell has been making good progress in making Linux palatable. Perhaps they will be a possible contender.

2006 promises to be an interesting year for computers and computing. With the 64 pathway becoming more available and Microsoft’s Vista thrown into the mix, who knows what will happen?

May the better OS win (whichever one that may be!)

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ATI All-IN-WONDER X-1900
The Mother of The Mother of All Graphics Cards

Reviewed by Don Nendell

The Wonder of It All: What’s All in the Box?

ALL-IN-WONDER X-1900 graphics board; DVI-I to VGA connector; YPrPb component adapter (only in North America); Remote Control unit and receiver (requires available USB port); ATI input and output connection blocks; Setup CD and manual; Power Cable; Warranty card; and, Free Bundled Software (Adobe® Photoshop® Elements 4.0 & Adobe® Premiere® Elements 2.0 & Gemstar GUIDE Plus+™ Interactive Program Guide (The perfect accouterment, well worth its value of more than $200.00))

Pricing: What would you expect to pay for the absolute “Top of the Line Capture/Graphic Card?” Confidentially, after you’ve read all those System Requirements above, if you still have to ask, then I’d say, you’re not quite ready, “yet,” for “The Mother of The Mother of All Graphics Cards!”

Street prices vary naturally, but I did a quick check (right up to publication time) on the ATI Shopping site (http://shop.ati.com/) and it was priced at $499.00 (plus S&H).

Note. And just to toss in a little something in the “extra help” catagory: 1) You can use their “Ask the Advisor” for added help; 2) You can download some “Sweet” Interactive and Realtime 3D Demos; and, 3) You might even consider trading up in the deal, and get USD $50.00 for your old graphics card through their ATI TRADE UP PROGRAM. Good stuff there!

Introduction

I had the distinct pleasure, and was indeed honored to review my 1st “Mother of All Graphics Cards,” the ATI ALL-IN-WONDER 9700 PRO (an AGP-slotted Capture/Graphic Card) back in the May 2003 issue of BCM (See the review in the BCM May 2003 Archives at <www.ucs.org>). For almost 3-years now I have literally lived, breathed - even snuck in a cat-nap or two - adored, completely enjoyed, pampered, et cetera, et cetera, that “unbelievably beautiful Capture/Graphic Card.” I almost had myself thinking back in the beginning that I was receiving some sort of “Heavenly experience in the process?” Or, some such craziness? It was entirely captivating, and it has a tendency to spoil a body, just a little! ;-}

You think that’s “craziness?” Beat this, if you can? I even have saved all the boxes, and their contents, from all three (3) of the ATI ALL-IN-WONDER products I’ve been blessed to own and review. My first: ATI RADEON ALL-IN-WONDER (32 MB) PCI Graphics Card; My second: ATI ALL-IN-WONDER 9700 PRO (128 MB) AGP Graphics Card; and, now my third: ATI ALL-IN-WONDER X-1900 (256 MB) PCI Express Graphics Card.

See for yourself. When you open the AIW X-1900 box it is simply mind-blowing to see all that “stuff’ jammed in there. The primary difference between all the AIW’s outwardly is of course, the card itself. But it’s what ATI’s ALL-IN-WONDER X-1900 is all about that makes the difference.

Well, you’ve guessed right? My new ATI AIW X-1900 literally “sky-rocketed” me past that wonderful 3-year AIW 9700 Pro experience I’ve been enjoying; just like I had been “merely sitting there all that time - up on jacks!” Actually, I was fairly well prepared for an amazingly beautiful graphics experience, because I had just finished the ATI X-1300 Pro Graphics Card Review only this past January (See the review in the BCM January 2006 Archives at <www.ucs.org>).

Let me share with you right up front, this “new” PCI Express stuff is “Blazing Hot!” How Hot? Let me put it this way; the ATI AIW X-1900 Pro is produced by a Canadian company and, I am EXCEPTIONALLY PROUD to say, “I am an “Honorary Member of the RCAF 434 (F) Fighter Squadron!” I mention this only because I wish I could express my feelings - Canadian-style - here in print for the ATI AIW X-1900 in the same “Glowing (Graphic) Terms” my Canadian Air Force Squadron-mates used to describe something that is, “Absolutely the Best There Is!” Some other time, perhaps? But, “It’s Hot!” ;-}

Time and Again: “Happiness will forever be a working

computer - v. 4+!”

For the May 2003 ATI ALL-IN-WONDER 9700 PRO review I was definitely in a quandary trying to figure out, “Where do I start [my praise for Caesar]? To borrow from the well-known poem, ‘. . . Let me count the ways!’ Take your pick from the Thesaurus: Grand (See Greatness, Ostentation, Repute); Sophistication (See Affectation, Skill, Knowledge); Superiority (See Inequality, Overrunning); etc., etc. [Can you kind of] Get the picture now?” Well, I’m equally, or more-so, as awe-struck and stumped today to come up with adequate superlatives to describe the Incredible, Stupendous, Awe-inspiring, Overpowering, and Incredulous, et cetera, et cetera, (maybe you can get the idea now - I pretty much like this thing?) ATI ALL-IN-WONDER X1900, as I was back then.

In hindsight – I was absolutely correct. The ATI ALL-IN-WONDER 9700 PRO (the “Mother of All Graphics Cards”) was a product which PC Gamer in February 2003 awarded “Editor’s Choice,” and MAXIMUM PC awarded it a 10 out of 10 rating in February 2003, calling it a, “Kick Ass Product.” Well, move over “Baby” and let the “Big Dog” through. Step back and watch the real fireworks as “The Mother of The Mother of All Graphics Cards” (MOM), does some real “Ass Kick’en!” Just lean back ya’ll, don your shades, and enjoy the show - the real “MOM ALL-IN-WONDER” has just arrived! “The Future of Video is Now!”

ALL-IN-WONDER X-1900

Features:

Or, Raising the bar for

transforming your PC into the ultimate home entertainment device

MOM is the premium product in the ALL-IN-WONDER family. It is specifically designed for consumers who are interested in an ultimate multimedia experience on their PC - people who enjoy the benefits of a high-end performance graphics card by playing video games, making and editing movies, watching TV, listening to music, and watching DVD movies, and all this from their desktop. These same customers already own, or are expected to soon be purchasing one or more of those amazing new digital devices, such as a Video iPOD, a digital camera, smart phone (with video and picture taking capability), a DV camcorder, a DVD/CD-ROM Read/Write Combo Drive, or maybe even a DVD device to go with their current CD-ROM drive. Everybody will soon be combining their PC and their multimedia graphics card to provide a comprehensive digital experience; such is the ALL-IN-WONDER X-1900, “The Mother of The Mother (MOM) of All Graphics Cards!”

Let ATI tell it like it really is: “The ALL-IN-WONDER X1900 features a brand-new graphics processor and proudly follows closely behind its Radeon counterpart. The X-1900 is a one-card solution of great performance for extreme gamers, entertainment enthusiasts, home users and moviemakers alike. ATI’s Avivo™ display platform gives incredibly rich video quality from capture through to playback, while PCI Express punches through the AGP bandwidth ceiling. The built-in TV tuner, PVR and programming guide provides now or later program enjoyment, while hardware H.264 decoding gives effortless playback of next-generation HD DVD.”

To fully “appreciate and see” the effectiveness of MOM, it is important to first stand back and “analyze” your own graphics needs - This will become quite obvious in a minute. Just think of it, not just as “the premier graphics card,” but also as a video capture card, all wrapped up together in one neat package. Now, you’ve got to admit, that’s certainly a wow! But, only the first of many!

There’s an absolutely fabulous “Interactive Flash Demo video” on the ATI web site where Dave Chalk speaks about ATI’s acclaimed ALL-IN-WONDER product. (See Dave Chalk’s Review of the All-in-Wonder™) This informative “Interactive Flash Demo Assets” video is “fairly hard to locate,” so use the URL here <http://www.ati.com/designpartners/media/edudemos/index.html> to check it out to help you learn more about MOM.

Now, let’s take a look under the hood of this little beauty!

Highlights:

CATALYST Control Center (CCC) - Delivers easy-to-use software for accessing all the multimedia and graphics features. It includes the Multimedia Center software (MMC) version 8.0, which guides the user through all the different media applications.

VPU Chip - Provides the consumer with a new level of realism for PC entertainment

Stereo TV Tuner with 125 channels - Cable, Dish, or some other type Network hookup is required to be able to watch up to 125 channels on your PC

Personal Video Recorder (PVR) - PVR functionality allows users to record programs on their hard drive, pause live TV and resume broadcasts on their schedule

VideoSoap™ - Next Generation filtering options for Personal Video Recordings (PVR) that improves captured image quality, particularly when capturing to low bitrates

Stereo FM - Listen to Stereo FM on your PC

Gemstar GUIDE Plus+™ Interactive Program Guide - Allows users to select, schedule, view, record and search favorite TV listings by category, actor/performer, or date - all the benefits of a PVR without the monthly fees

RF REMOTE WONDER ($49 plus S&H if bought separately) - Provides users full control of the multimedia software and works without requiring line-of-site, e.g., there’s no need to point the remote control at the receiver. Simply connect your PC to your TV and search TV channels, watch DVD’s, surf the web, or record TV shows - all from your couch, or your plush Desktop Executive Chair (optional) (*)

Capture and Edit - Easily capture and edit your home videos and burn them to DVD’s/Video CD

MulTView™ - The ability to add a second tuner for Picture-in-Picture (PIP), Picture-outside-Picture (POP), and many other features (**)

THEATER 200 Chip - Theatre 200 video decoder is a single chip analog video and stereo audio processor supported worldwide, which provides superior high quality video and audio quality to previous solutions in a single package

HDTV Component Video Adapter ($29 plus S&H if bought separately) - Watch DVDs, TV-ON-DEMAND™ on a HDTV ready television using this component output (Transfer high-definition (HD) component video output via an YPrPb adapter)

Free Software - Includes valuable free software: Adobe® Premiere® Elements 2.0 & Adobe® Photoshop® Elements 4.0 (over USD $200 value)

Easy Digital and Analog Video Editing - from numerous sources capture still images and video for use in your own creations. Then add effects, transitions, and sound to video footage and save your authored videos to VideoCD and DVD formats

TV-ON-DEMAND™ - The power to pause live TV, get instant replays, record live broadcasts for later viewing

THRUVIEW™ - Click through the transparent live TV window to access your desktop

(*) MCE Remote Control is compatible with Windows® XP Media Center Edition (optional and can be purchased separately)

(**) Additional ATI TV Wonder™ Family product required

The Ultimate Level in 3D Gaming

Advanced Performance Architecture powers MOM with a 32-bit, multi-threaded shader core delivering the power of multiple virtual processors. Integrated are Shader Model 3.0, DirectX 9 and other gaming sweets including industry-leading support for anti-aliasing plus HD Range. The end game delivers performance where it counts.

As “The acknowledged PC gamer” in the house, Donna loves this part “dearly,” but in a completely proactive move - just to keep her “Pretty” hands off of MY MOM - I gave her the standalone X-1300 Pro PCI Express Graphics card, MOM’s virtual equivalent - for her new HP Media Center PC (See February 2006 BCM Archives for the ATI X-1300 Pro review). Boy, is she tearing up her new Oblivion game - as we speak. Hey! I wonder what would my F-16 Falcon look like now on MOM? Umm! Got to dig that out now!

Total Home Video, from Studio to Screening

The ALL-IN-WONDER X1900 turns the PC into a video production center. Capture video from multiple sources,- like I can do with the Swann box - including S-Video or Composite Video. Note. FYI S-Video and Composite Video are not compatible, it’s an either / or situation (See the large graphic). Edit the video with best-of-breed Adobe Premier Elements editing software included in the package. Then cut a DVD complete with titling and get the full self-satisfaction, from input to output.

Avivo™

ALL-IN-WONDER includes the revolutionary Avivo™ technology, ATI’s new reference for video and display perfection. The Avivo™ platform delivers an incredibly rich display, while H.264 hardware decoding meets tomorrow’s DVD standards today.

The Office/Computer Room Setup

Get yourself some handy Cable Clamps, because you’ll be amazed at all those cables and gadgets you’ll end up with all over the place when you’re finally done hooking everything up. Instead of hooking MOM up in the living room, like I did when I was testing the 9700 AIW Pro, this time I hooked up everything in my computer office. Besides, the office has practically everything I need for complete utility, comfort, handiness and ease of use in getting the job done. My setup is a little more varied than the ATI graphic shows, if you can believe that?

My basic setup consists of the following items:

1. A Dish 501 Satellite Receiver (with PVR), that outputs directly to an “older” Radio Shack Archer Switching Box (a sort of “Mix ‘n Match switching box). The switching box allows me to be able to switch “manually” back and forth between the: a) 501 Dish Satellite Receiver Input or, b) Any other of 5 different desired type A/V Inputs (including an “Older-style Gaming” RCA input connector). At the switch box, I can then output “simultaneously” to 4 other different desired A/V type components such as: a) Donna’s (older Sears) Analog 21” TV; b) A “Cable In” connector in the back of MOM (See TV below); c) A real workhorse 4-Station remote-controlled Swann A/V Switching Box terminal, that has both S-Video and Composite IN/OUT Ports for “controlling” many other different Video Input/Output sources, all at a “one” location (See also TV below); and, d) My laptop, another PC, et etera;

2. A Linksys ProConnect KVM Switch to alternate back and forth between my two (2) peer-to-peer connected Desktop PC’s (one is my “new” HP Media Center PC with the “works”, and the other is my recovering addict “Boat Anchor,” - which I still do not trust, but it has the AIW 9700 Pro still in it);

3. A “brand new” Samsung 17” SyncMaster 730B LCD Monitor (bought solely because my “trusty” 3-year old+ 21” MAG Innovation LCD Monitor (even though it still works beautifully everywhere else) was not completely compatible with MOM, but more so, because it was also no longer specifically Windows Media Center PC “Driver update” supported by MAG - I later, very sadly found out the usual, hard, “Don” way;

4. And, of course, all this is connected to my fabulous new MOM card; then there’s,

5. The typical other “Good Office Stuff” properly augmenting the MOM setup, needless to say.

Even if, and I repeat if here, I were able to be succinct, this would be a huge review. Heavens, it already is! That’s primarily because MOM is loaded with seemingly endless possibilities. And, simply because I’m thinking of it now, if you haven’t seen this particular marvelous feature for yourself, you can’t begin to imagine how shockingly beautiful the HDTV picture is when the YPrPb component adapter (included in the package) is hooked up (versus the S-Video or Component Video connectors that are normally connected to a regular ‘ol TV, or even an HDTV, for that matter) between MOM and those gorgeous, “huge” HDTV’s. This, BTW I don’t have in the office, just yet? Simply not enough room. ;-}

But, back to business. I most certainly was quite prophetic in the AIW 9700 Pro review 3 years ago, when I wrote: “There is absolutely no way that I can cover all the tremendous attributes, benefits, features and capabilities of this magnificent [combination] graphics display and capture card in the short space allotted for this review; it’s just too BIG for one story [I had originally intended to make this MOM review a 2-Parter, it’s simply that big]. But, if you’ve gotten the basic idea that this is the greatest of them all to this point, then I’ve successfully pointed you in the right direction to research this more completely on your own. Truth be known, I don’t know of anything better out there. Be prepared for consummate [double-entendre here?] joy because, ‘You ain’t seen nothing yet folks!’[For absolutely, positively certain!]”

TV/(PVR)

Here it is! This one feature alone is my all-time absolute MOM favorite. I live with this one playing “my kind of commercial-free music” virtually every minute that I’m sitting here at my computer. The best part? I don’t have to go in and sit in the living room just to listen to my music - I can work and listen at the same time, or even play (if I ever wanted to?). That’s all because I have my “second in-home” Dish Network Satellite Receiver piped directly into MOM through a “regular” TV cable connected directly to the back of the card itself at the “Cable In” connector.

Psst! Come closer! As mentioned above, I’ve got an even better setup than that actually. I have a Swann “4-way input / 1-way output” remote switcher ($35 +/- at Best Buy) outputting directly into MOM through the (supplied) “purple connector” - which is also connected directly to the back of the card itself,” so I can see and/or record anything my little heart desires from any of four (4) different A/V sources (No! Not all at once!).

Note. This was how I was able to manipulate the Ovation PPT shows (See the BCM Archives Jan 2006 Ovation review) being ported over into the AIW 9700 Pro (And, now it’s into MOM). MOM can then show the Ovation PPT out to two (2) entirely different screens - even out to an actual TV (acting as a monitor), if I wanted to. Oh, there’s lot’s, lot’s more fun to be had with MOM, to be sure.

With even a minimal kind of setup, the ALL-IN-WONDER X1900, designed for Windows XP Home, Professional or Media Center Edition, gives any PC “entertainment intelligence” with Personal Video Recording (PVR) capabilities. Actually, you can do it all with the ATI multimedia Center LaunchPad “TV” setting: “Watch,” “Play,” “Pause,” “Record,” and even “Instantly ‘Go-back’ and see and/or hear something again - if you feel like it,” just exactly like any other PVR can do. This is one truly fabulous benefit of MOM. And just think, it’s already self-contained on your PC - where you can “do something with it immediately, if you want to” - rather than having to rely on a device up on top of a TV, somewhere out there in your house? Actually, MOM could be out there too, if you so desired - in place of a Tivo or Satellite/Cable TV PVR! Just think? You can save your favorite shows to your hard drive, burn to DVD, or even share “Stuff” with your portable media devices. It’s really a “Do Everything” companion. So there!

So, “What’s it really all about Alfie?”

Background. MOM is the culmination of a very, very long search, through a large number of products, that would provide me with the perfect A/V Graphic/Capture Card combination (that could work with my, then, ATI AIW 9700 Pro, now MOM) that could display and also capture some of those beautiful image(s) that could be made into a professional-looking presentation video using my all-time favorite Camtasia Studio (now in its version 3 iteration). In my monstrous, dogged, never-ending searching process - which BTW dates all the way back to 2001 and my MGI VideoWave5 review - I ran across Serious Magic’s Ovation (at the January 2006 CES), which takes ordinary M/S PPT’s and makes them jump, dazzle and sparkle. However, as I couldn’t save the Ovation PPTs in .avi format, I naturally had to capture it with the AIW (Note. The AIW, needless to say, is the “KEY” to the whole process.) Therefore, I still needed TechSmith’s Camtasia Studio to add some extremely valuable callouts, other beautification features, bells and whistles, et cetera, et cetera, that Ovation lacks. Of course, it goes without saying, every single one of the above mentioned products I have previously reviewed for you here in these pages of BCM (See BCM Archives for the: December 2001 B/W MGI VideoWave5 review; May 2003 ATI AIW 9700 Pro review; August 2003 Camtasia Studio review; and, Jan 2006 Ovation review at <www.ucs.org>).

Each product, in turn, was a vital improvement on the overall “final,” beautiful, process I was seeking, but each, in their own way, still lacked that something special; that Pizzazz that no one inexpensive commercially available product could actually produce “my ‘utopian’ desired” results for me. At least, something of that desired special output quality, one that could be purchased on the open market - from the perspective of a common every day user’s budget (e.g., my audience). Since I always appear (to some “significant others”) to move in “mysterious ways(?),” march to the beat of a different drummer, and/or am always leaning out over precarious precipices - called the “Bleeding-edge” of technology - one can easily see why I get myself into all those binds I keep writing about here in these reviews? You can see that, can’t you? ;-}

As if they were reading my mind, ATI’s MOM is so very, very close to the final answer to my “Long, Long” search. With their intuitive/well thought out/imaginative addition of Adobe Premiere Elements 2.0 and Adobe Photoshop Elements 4.0 to the “full” package, no one could ask for anything more. Viola!

Except me? As utterly fabulous as MOM is, I’m still left with that one (1) “Personal Preference Need,” repeat “PERSONAL,” small unsolved problem, however. Try as hard as I might, I still cannot easily “one-step capture” that “fantastic moving or still” image that’s showing inside ATI’s “TV/Player/Library display” on the monitor’s screen with anything I’ve tried; neither Full Shot 8, Print Screen, Alt-Print Screen, SnagIt 8 (for Stills), nor Camtasia Studio, etc., (for Video), no matter how hard I’ve tried? Each one leaves a “black area” where the image is supposed to be. This, I’m told is because the MOM image is a “layered image” and nothing to date can capture a Microsoft “Live Layer!” I’m forced to accept that premise for now, but I truly feel I will eventually find such a program that can capture the “WHOLE SCREEN” with “ANY” MOM presentation being but merely a “part” of that full-screen image - NOT SIMPLY, JUST THE ATI TV/PLAYER/LIBRARY IMAGE(S) THEMSELVES ALONE.

This should adequately explain why there is no “Full Screen” capture with something “showing inside” my favorite TV screen. Simply can’t be done - at this time. Said another way, I can capture the beautiful ATI AIW TV image, but not a Full Screen with that image embedded in it.

Truth be known, the self-contained MOM’s “TV” and “Still Image” capturing ability, in realty, does finally complete a very difficult and long journey for me, however, that’s because it contains both the “Perfect” Graphic Card and the “Ideal” Capture Card in a single magnificent PCI Express card. A card I lovingly call, the “ALL-IN-‘WINNING’-(ONE)DER” - to coin a very apropos phrase! Aptly named, the marvelous, ALL-IN-WONDER cards, truly do live up to their name - and then some!

You all know my mantra (MY BY-LINE?) has always been, “Happiness is a working computer.” But now, “Total Ecstasy is a working ATI ALL-IN-WONDER X1900 PCI Express (256 MB) Card inside my PC!” The only way to fly!

My sincere thanks to ATI Technologies, and most especially to those fan-tabulous (fantastic-fabulous contraction), patient Tech Support folks, where I’ve received such incredible, fabulous and invaluable support on all of my incredibly wonderful ATI Graphical products over these past four+ years - lately on my “Most Prized Possession of Them All - the ATI ALL-IN-WONDER(FUL) X1900.” I’ve mightily enjoyed playing “successfully” with my latest prize, I am absolutely, and positively certain all of you will too!

“MOM is most definitely the Keeper, of all Keepers - so far!” I say, “So far,” because I don’t know how ATI’s kept me literally in a constant “Ga! Ga!” state for over four (4) years now? But, I somehow suspect, and expect they will for many more years to come? “Ooou-Rah!” Go Canada! Ciao!

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